tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5417548940646195012.post2107130586564094772..comments2024-03-11T03:55:34.009-07:00Comments on Naturing :: Nurturing: Creatures Medicine 101: Antigens and AntibodiesAmaikokonuthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14141369908773050411noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5417548940646195012.post-19520170063607243482015-09-22T19:42:01.909-07:002015-09-22T19:42:01.909-07:00The antibodies don't do anything to the antige...The antibodies don't do anything to the antigens themselves but they do fight bacteria. If I remember correctly, the bacteria.cos file has code that makes the bacteria more likely to die or detach if they're infecting a creature with high antibodies. Of course, you can just use the antibacterial spray to remove the bacteria. Feeding antibodies to norns is still helpful to minimize their exposure to bacteria when you're not watching though. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5417548940646195012.post-83456362954497774512012-04-10T17:51:47.246-07:002012-04-10T17:51:47.246-07:00Does prostaglandin also speed up the conversion of...Does prostaglandin also speed up the conversion of antigens to antibodies?<br /><br />The hotness associated with antigens 6 and 4 should be mentioned, as it is in the previous post, as a possible cause of death by dehydration, if the antigen to antibody reaction proceeds too quickly.Malkinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5417548940646195012.post-54353895674317100512011-11-06T16:26:46.765-08:002011-11-06T16:26:46.765-08:00As far as antibodies fighting antigens go, I belie...As far as antibodies fighting antigens go, I believe that it's not the creature itself that uses antibodies to fight off antigens. What I think happens is that as soon as a certain antibody gets high enough/stays in the system long enough, the game engine itself kills the antigen and prevents it from re-infecting the creature.<br /><br />I'm not 100% sure that's what happens, though - I haven't read it anywhere. Rather, it's an educated guess I've made from personal observation.Grendel Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5417548940646195012.post-91155674199092459872011-11-05T02:28:04.103-07:002011-11-05T02:28:04.103-07:00Wow, that's quite remarkable. Jessica is quite...Wow, that's quite remarkable. Jessica is quite right that Norns, Grendels and Ettins don't have anything that closely resembles an immune system. But these findings are quite remarkable.<br /><br />I currently have a Norn who isn't able to produce Antibody4, and theoretically should have a hard time getting over Antigen4.<br /><br />Previously I had a similar Norn with the missing Antibody, however she managed to recover from her related Antigen without issue.<br /><br />I'll definitely be doing some tests on my current Norn to see what I can find out.ArchDragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726478254573137207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5417548940646195012.post-78861877738733413832011-11-04T18:01:38.776-07:002011-11-04T18:01:38.776-07:00Vitamins C and E have a half life of 255, the same...Vitamins C and E have a half life of 255, the same as such vital chemicals as ATP, energy, muscle tissue, etc. Could feeding your norns something with vitamin C in it regularly cause the vitamin to build up in their system, leading to shorter illnesses in general? (assuming antigen 5 is out of the picture...)Malkinhttp://creaturescaves.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5417548940646195012.post-91892329063048115012011-11-04T11:54:12.961-07:002011-11-04T11:54:12.961-07:00Sorry for the multiple comments: I just found a ve...Sorry for the multiple comments: I just found a very interesting page from <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20001015140025/http://www.dreamscape.com/lummoxjr/creatures/nuclearchamber.html" rel="nofollow">The Norn Underground</a>, which talks about creating more realistic antibody/antigen reactions. Very interesting concept that might be worth checking out! Seems to me like the genes have been altered to make antibodies actually fight off the antigens... Sounds more like a real immune system!<br /><br />Granted, these are for the C1 genetics, but I think the idea might apply to this discussion. It's always bothered me that creatures don't have anything resembling a real immune system. I'm tempted to try out some genetic engineering as recommended on the page!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14445563524165115302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5417548940646195012.post-56992962330073293392011-11-04T05:04:21.474-07:002011-11-04T05:04:21.474-07:00I love these entries! I'm hoping to do a littl...I love these entries! I'm hoping to do a little study on the toxins and antigens in C1 shortly: They're much more straightforward than those in C3/DS, but the whole antibody/antigen reaction is still present. Some might agree, but it's almost like creatures don't have a real immune system. The antigens create the antibodies that are supposed to fight them off.<br /><br />Have you viewed the graph of a creature who is actually infected with an antigen? If memory serves me correctly, the antigen has a steady "spiking" pattern. I've got a few of these graphs filed under Biochemistry.<br /><br />Antigen 5 certainly is dangerous! Vitamin C does seem to be the cure, although I never thought of it before. That is, except in the case of antigen 5.<br /><br />Excellent discussion, as always! I learn something new from your entries all the time, and I usually get the urge to jump into the scientific side of the game. I'm sure this will be helpful to others, and perhaps it will help save some Norns, Ettins, and Grendels!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14445563524165115302noreply@blogger.com